Odd to click Control first

johnd126 · Post by **johnd126** » 10 Jul 2006, 22:43

I find it very odd (and awkward) to have to hold down the control key before I can start clicking on multiple items in the list. Can this be modified?

omega · Post by **omega** » 10 Jul 2006, 23:35

Why is this odd? If you use windows explorer you have to hold the ctrl key to select (and not click) items in the list as well.

johnd126 · Post by **johnd126** » 10 Jul 2006, 23:48

omega wrote:Why is this odd? If you use windows explorer you have to hold the ctrl key to select (and not click) items in the list as well.

But in Explorer you can click the control key after you select a file and it will stay selected when you click another one. I.e. click on file, hold down control key, click on second file. In Explorer both files will be highlighted, in SS only the second file will be.

SvA · Post by **SvA** » 11 Jul 2006, 00:06

Selection works differently in Salamander than in Explorer. In Explorer, the focused item is alway part of the selection. If you have selected more than one file, then select another without a modifier key pressed, you loose your carefully chosen selections. This does not happen in Salamander. This allows you to view a the file while others are selected already.

CTRL-LMB (left meose button) extends selection in Explorer, but it does just select the item in Salamander. In Salamander, you deal the same with any item which you want to include in the selection. In Explorer you have to handle the first element of the set differently from the rest.

BTW, many things just work much more easy by using the keyboard. You select an item by pressing SPACE (which also moves the focus to the next item and calculates directory size) or INS.

JohnFredC · Post by **JohnFredC** » 11 Jul 2006, 00:13

To johnd126: This is a somewhat controversial topic.

See this thread: http://forum.altap.cz/viewtopic.php?t=720&highlight=

Add your vote if you wish!

johnd126 · Post by **johnd126** » 11 Jul 2006, 04:36

JohnFredC wrote:To johnd126: This is a somewhat controversial topic.

See this thread: http://forum.altap.cz/viewtopic.php?t=720&highlight=

Add your vote if you wish!

Whoops, dropped into an already open can of worms.

What I would like is a *choice* between the current method and the Explorer method. A simple checkbox so I can decide which is the best after trying both...

Thanks for letting me know about the vote.

johnd126 · Post by **johnd126** » 11 Jul 2006, 04:41

SvA wrote:Selection works differently in Salamander than in Explorer. In Explorer, the focused item is alway part of the selection. If you have selected more than one file, then select another without a modifier key pressed, you loose your carefully chosen selections. This does not happen in Salamander. This allows you to view a the file while others are selected already.

CTRL-LMB (left meose button) extends selection in Explorer, but it does just select the item in Salamander. In Salamander, you deal the same with any item which you want to include in the selection. In Explorer you have to handle the first element of the set differently from the rest.

BTW, many things just work much more easy by using the keyboard. You select an item by pressing SPACE (which also moves the focus to the next item and calculates directory size) or INS.

I can see the value in some of what you say ... but I really don't want to have to learn a whole new way of doing thing. I just want the methods I already know to work better! Which they mostly do in SS. And I want more control over what happens. Why can't SS offer both methods and the user can choose? Sometimes one method may be more preferable than other times....

Datalog · Post by **Datalog** » 11 Jul 2006, 20:24

johnd126 wrote: ... but I really don't want to have to learn a whole new way of doing thing. ...

It's a problem. I'm afraid, file managers like SS, TC, ... are not best way for you. Bacause all of them are "raised" from good old DOS program named "Norton Commander", nearly 15 years of habits, style, lookout etc.

Usually, people choose these managers _becaus of_ their well known old control style, witch is (for you unfortunately) different than Explorer. IMHO SS is very very near to Explorer - most near than other file managers with NortonCommander style. But there are limits and habits which could'n be changed. And many of them I can see in yours "Feature Requests" posts.

P.S.: Sorry my English.

johnd126 · Post by **johnd126** » 11 Jul 2006, 20:30

Datalog wrote:
johnd126 wrote: ... but I really don't want to have to learn a whole new way of doing thing. ...
It's a problem. I'm afraid, file managers like SS, TC, ... are not best way for you. Bacause all of them are "raised" from good old DOS program named "Norton Commander", nearly 15 years of habits, style, lookout etc.

Usually, people choose these managers _becaus of_ their well known old control style, witch is (for you unfortunately) different than Explorer. IMHO SS is very very near to Eplorer - most near than other file managers with NortonCommander style. But there are limits and habits which could'n be changed. And many of them I can see in yours "Feature Requests" posts.

P.S.: Sorry my English.

Ah, I see your point. I didn't realize SS was being true to previous file managers which had these quirks. Still, having options to change the way it behaves would be nice.

You're english is fine.

thanks
John

Datalog · Post by **Datalog** » 11 Jul 2006, 20:55

johnd126 wrote:... I didn't realize SS was being true to previous file managers which had these quirks. ...

This is why I love SS. It implements nearly all old style with carefuly inserted new habits. For example, SS was first (of my known) which used F2 to rename instead "user menu" (as NC does). Etc.

And guys from Altap doing that very good, to fulfill nearly all advantages from NC and Explorer togehter. But ther's a real danger of lost many users (including me

) if some well-known-old-things are changed. So, if some changes are not against overall style, they are done, added, implemented. But changing old behaviour is IMHO risky and unpleasnat.

johnd126 · Post by **johnd126** » 11 Jul 2006, 21:05

Datalog wrote:
johnd126 wrote:... I didn't realize SS was being true to previous file managers which had these quirks. ...
This is why I love SS. It implements nearly all old style with carefuly inserted new habits. For example, SS was first (of my known) which used F2 to rename instead "user menu" (as NC does). Etc.

And guys from Altap doing that very good, to fulfill nearly all advantages from NC and Explorer togehter. But ther's a real danger of lost many users (including me ) if some well-known-old-things are changed. So, if some changes are not against overall style, they are done, added, implemented. But changing old behaviour is IMHO risky and unpleasnat.

I agree, it's bad to change things if there's a good reason for the things to be there. Still ... having a *choice* for us poor folks that didn't come up through NC would be nice.