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Simple question

Post by Guest » 30 Apr 2006, 11:32

Hi everybody,

I have an question:

How can I copy files from a digital camera in Salamander like in the Explorer from a camera without diskletter ?

The camera don't appear in the ALT-F1 panel.

Did I anything wrong ?

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Re: Simple question

Post by jis » 30 Apr 2006, 11:39

Guest wrote:Hi everybody,

I have an question:

How can I copy files from a digital camera in Salamander like in the Explorer from a camera without diskletter ?

The camera don't appear in the ALT-F1 panel.

Did I anything wrong ?
No you didn't. If your digital camera doesn't support mass storage, there is no way to do copying in Salamander just now. Do you have Canon DC?
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Re: Simple question

Post by Mem » 30 Apr 2006, 13:42

jis wrote:
Guest wrote:How can I copy files from a digital camera in Salamander like in the Explorer from a camera without diskletter?
No you didn't. If your digital camera doesn't support mass storage, there is no way to do copying in Salamander just now. Do you have Canon DC?
But he's able to do it from Explorer (or am I wrong?), so what's the difference?

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Re: Simple question

Post by jis » 30 Apr 2006, 15:31

Answer in Czech is here: Digitalni kameru ve vyberu disku..

The point is that windows explorer provide user interface via special extension by which users can access non mass storage devices.

See chapter Still Image Devices here about WIA PTP versus WIA MSC:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodte ... 21675.mspx
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Post by SvA » 30 Apr 2006, 16:48

@ guest: you might want to have a look at Windows' Disk Management console while your camera is plugged in. You might be able to assign a drive letter.

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Post by Guest » 30 Apr 2006, 22:12

Yes it is a Canon DC and no it hasn't a drive letter.

The windows explorer provides an item in the explorertree.
It's like the controlpanelitem in the tree.
You can click on it and on it and in the right side the .jpg's are shown.

I want to know whats the background and are you able to do the same in Salamander ?

If it is possible, the windows explorer is no longer needed for me. Anything else works perfectly. Great work.

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Re: Simple question

Post by jis » 30 Apr 2006, 23:24

Guest wrote:Yes it is a Canon DC and no it hasn't a drive letter.

The windows explorer provides an item in the explorertree.
It's like the controlpanelitem in the tree.
You can click on it and on it and in the right side the .jpg's are shown.

I want to know whats the background and are you able to do the same in Salamander ?

If it is possible, the windows explorer is no longer needed for me. Anything else works perfectly. Great work.
According to Roadmap we must wait some more time. This point is about accessing your camera from Salamander:
Roadmap wrote:Folders browser in panel (My Computer, Desktop, Control Panel, Recycle Bin, etc.)
But you don't need wait for future version of Servant Salamander. Do you have desktop or notebook?

For desktop I can recommend to buy external USB flash card reader.

For notebook I can recommend to buy PC Card flash card reader. I have Canon digital camera with SD card, so I bought Panasonic SD CardBus PC Card adapter BN-SDPC3E. I made my own speed tests with 1.0 GB SanDisk Extreme III SD card by ATTO Disk Benchmark:
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You will never get so impressive throughput from digital camera connected via USB Cable and with flash card reader you will save your battery too :).
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Post by Guest » 30 Apr 2006, 23:29

I know I can use a card reader, but it would be nice if you can use the camera in some cases.

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Post by jis » 30 Apr 2006, 23:42

SvA wrote:@ guest: you might want to have a look at Windows' Disk Management console while your camera is plugged in. You might be able to assign a drive letter.
There is no way to assign drive letter for PTP. See for example this http://forums.techguy.org/digital-photo ... are-2.html
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Post by jis » 01 May 2006, 00:01

Guest wrote:I know I can use a card reader, but it would be nice if you can use the camera in some cases.
Well, I personally won't like to wait 10 times more time for transferring pictures via USB cable in compare to transferring through CardBus PC Card adapter. For example I have small speedy Canon IXUS 50 (Canon PowerShot SD400). If I connect it to a host computer via a USB interface, it has transfer speed as high as 2500 KBytes/second, it is indeed very fast. But cameras with slow USB interfaces run as low as 300 KB/s, cameras with fast USB1.1 interfaces run as high as 600 KB/s. Cameras with USB2.0 interfaces run as fast as several megabytes/second. But never as high as 20 MBytes/second.
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Post by SvA » 01 May 2006, 03:09

jis wrote:
SvA wrote:@ guest: you might want to have a look at Windows' Disk Management console while your camera is plugged in. You might be able to assign a drive letter.
There is no way to assign drive letter for PTP. See for example this http://forums.techguy.org/digital-photo ... are-2.html
Well, I do not have any experience with nor acces to PTP devices.

The link you, jis, provided in the post quoted above does not realy add any more useful information over the Microsoft technet article you linked to before. There Microsoft writes (Italics mine)
Microsoft wrote:WIA supports a camera class driver that is based on Picture Transfer Protocol (PTP), ...
and then again
WIA also provides Mass Storage Class (MSC) device support.
This latter phrase is somewhat ambiguous in that it could mean it provides MSC service for any device it can handle (i.e. proprietary driver or PTP) or it could mean it supports MSC devices just as it does PTP devices. Since wording is different in the two quotes from Microsoft I assumed functionality is different, so I thought checking it should clear up that matter. Not getting a drive letter automatically does not by necessity mean you cannot assign a drive letter.

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Re: Simple question

Post by jis » 01 May 2006, 13:12

SvA wrote:Not getting a drive letter automatically does not by necessity mean you cannot assign a drive letter.
Yes, in that assumption you are right. What I want to say and emphasize is that USB Mass Storage devices have advantage over Picture Transfer Protocol devices because they are immediately available as another hard drive without need to install any additional SW.

Some interesting links about that:

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/st ... nnect.mspx
http://support.microsoft.com/default.as ... 042203.asp
http://www.melbpc.org.au/pcupdate/2303/2303article8.htm
http://www.everythingusb.com/forums/sho ... eadid=8599
http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/view ... orum_id=18
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Post by Jan Rysavy » 03 May 2006, 11:57

Another interesting thread on dpreview: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readf ... e=16906792

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Re: Simple question

Post by Jan Rysavy » 23 Jan 2016, 10:39

See Portable Devices plugin.

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