Information Line
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Information Line
When I browse to a directory, I have to select all to find out how many files there are in that dir, and how much space they take up. This info could be added to the $(FileSize) variable that is displayed in the 'information line' of each panel. When a folder is selected or browsed to, instead of showing only the text 'DIR', it could read 'DIR (44 kb in 24 Files)'.
Alt + F10 (or Space) counts size including subdirectories (recursively). It'd be slow and not same as selecting just files.
It looks like good idea to me just to press Home (to go to ".." line) to see a suma and space of files. But only this. No to autamatically count space when dir is selected, because then the directory must be browsed and it'd be slow.
It looks like good idea to me just to press Home (to go to ".." line) to see a suma and space of files. But only this. No to autamatically count space when dir is selected, because then the directory must be browsed and it'd be slow.
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> It looks like good idea to me just to press Home (to go
> to ".." line) to see a suma and space of files. But only
> this. No to autamatically count space when dir is
> selected, because then the directory must be browsed
> and it'd be slow.
Agreed. When you go into a dir, the filesizes of all files inside have already been calculated, so it would be very easy and fast to include the totals (NOT including subdirs) in the information line.
> to ".." line) to see a suma and space of files. But only
> this. No to autamatically count space when dir is
> selected, because then the directory must be browsed
> and it'd be slow.
Agreed. When you go into a dir, the filesizes of all files inside have already been calculated, so it would be very easy and fast to include the totals (NOT including subdirs) in the information line.
May I ask you: Why you need information about how many files do you have in the actual folder, and how much space your files take up, but excluding any other files in any subfolders?Anonymous wrote:Agreed. When you go into a dir, the filesizes of all files inside have already been calculated, so it would be very easy and fast to include the totals (NOT including subdirs) in the information line.
Altap Salamander fan since 1998
Yeah that's what i'm wondering about as well jis.
"When a folder is selected or browsed to, instead of showing only the text 'DIR', it could read 'DIR (44 kb in 24 Files)'."
"I don't go into a dir just to find this info out. I go into the dir to work"
Actually you mean you want the information line to display total files and used size of the current folder you are in and not select a folder to display this cause that means it will have to exclude all subdirs and the files inside them. I just wonder how many people think this is useful.
"When a folder is selected or browsed to, instead of showing only the text 'DIR', it could read 'DIR (44 kb in 24 Files)'."
"I don't go into a dir just to find this info out. I go into the dir to work"
Actually you mean you want the information line to display total files and used size of the current folder you are in and not select a folder to display this cause that means it will have to exclude all subdirs and the files inside them. I just wonder how many people think this is useful.
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> May I ask you: Why you need information about how
> many files do you have in the actual folder, and how
> much space your files take up, but excluding any
> other files in any subfolders?
I didn't think this request would be met with such resistance.
(1) this is a standard way of doing things, even windows explorer provides this information on the status bar. Other file managers I have used have provided this info as default behavior as well (freecommander comes to mind, but there are others).
(2) It would be trivial to add this functionality. The information has already been collected by SS, and simply having 'DIR' in the information line is useless.
I have a hard time seeing how it is helpful to give my own ideosyncratic reason for needing it. Why do I ever need file size information? A better question would be, why shouln't SS provide it? As I mentioned, it is trivial to implement, and it has, in fact, been widely implemented by other fm's.
> Actually you mean you want the information line to
> display total files and used size of the current folder
> you are in and not select a folder to display this
> cause that means it will have to exclude all subdirs
> and the files inside them.
Yes. What I meant was what I said. I never mentioned including subdirectories. I clearly stated that I wanted the information that I currently have to retrieve by selecting all.
> I just wonder how many people think this is useful.
Half the people involved in this thread.
There are MANY features in SS that MOST of its users don't find useful, but they are there. For example, I often wonder how many people find the icon view in listviews useful. but SS implements it.
> many files do you have in the actual folder, and how
> much space your files take up, but excluding any
> other files in any subfolders?
I didn't think this request would be met with such resistance.
(1) this is a standard way of doing things, even windows explorer provides this information on the status bar. Other file managers I have used have provided this info as default behavior as well (freecommander comes to mind, but there are others).
(2) It would be trivial to add this functionality. The information has already been collected by SS, and simply having 'DIR' in the information line is useless.
I have a hard time seeing how it is helpful to give my own ideosyncratic reason for needing it. Why do I ever need file size information? A better question would be, why shouln't SS provide it? As I mentioned, it is trivial to implement, and it has, in fact, been widely implemented by other fm's.
> Actually you mean you want the information line to
> display total files and used size of the current folder
> you are in and not select a folder to display this
> cause that means it will have to exclude all subdirs
> and the files inside them.
Yes. What I meant was what I said. I never mentioned including subdirectories. I clearly stated that I wanted the information that I currently have to retrieve by selecting all.
> I just wonder how many people think this is useful.
Half the people involved in this thread.
There are MANY features in SS that MOST of its users don't find useful, but they are there. For example, I often wonder how many people find the icon view in listviews useful. but SS implements it.Why? In my case:
Sometimes I use subdir as temporary or backup (named old1, old2, ...), etc. In this case, every time I want to count used size, I _need_ to exclude subdirs. For example: Two directory of this type, to fast compare (if different, I know the're not identical. And only if suma same, then need to use slow compare with content). Or to fast look if exceed CD or DVD limit. And so on.
And I've configured Salamander to select both files and dir when using Num Plus + Enter (because I _usually_ need to select both), so in this case I can't use this to fast show only suma files size - to say the truth, now I'm using it, but I must unselect all directories manually.
Sometimes I use subdir as temporary or backup (named old1, old2, ...), etc. In this case, every time I want to count used size, I _need_ to exclude subdirs. For example: Two directory of this type, to fast compare (if different, I know the're not identical. And only if suma same, then need to use slow compare with content). Or to fast look if exceed CD or DVD limit. And so on.
And I've configured Salamander to select both files and dir when using Num Plus + Enter (because I _usually_ need to select both), so in this case I can't use this to fast show only suma files size - to say the truth, now I'm using it, but I must unselect all directories manually.
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If the definition of Content of Information Line in Configuration will have more attributes to choose from, I cannot be against it. Everyone then will have the possibility to customize Information Line according his or her needs.Anonymous wrote:> Sorry, this is not about resistance but discussion
Do I take that to mean that you agree with everything else I wrote? So you support adding this info to the information line? That makes 3...
I only wonder, why you need this particular information. And your reply was, that you wonder why other one wants to know your reasons for this request. That was not so helpful...
Altap Salamander fan since 1998
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> only wonder, why you need this particular information.
> And your reply was, that you wonder why other one
> wants to know your reasons for this request. That was
> not so helpful...
No that's not what I said. My reply was that the reason I need the info is idiosyncratic, meaning MY reason is not going to be anyone else's reason, and therefor providing it won't move this discussion forward at all. I wanted to debate the merits of the feature, not my personal reason for wanting it. But, I can see that maybe providing my reason may get others to see how they may find it useful. So...
At work, I work with directories containing many hundreds of files (often >1000). The number in each directory changes throughout the day, as me and others edit the files, create new files, and move files to other dirs.
When I go into a folder, it would be very useful to quickly know exactly how many files are present (total size is ok too, but not what I really need). This info helps me determine (1) how much work others did that day, (2) how much work has yet to be done, (3) where (by which folder) more resources need to be allocated (4) and on and on. With this info, I can quickly click on many different folders, and get a good snapshot of the work done that day.
> And your reply was, that you wonder why other one
> wants to know your reasons for this request. That was
> not so helpful...
No that's not what I said. My reply was that the reason I need the info is idiosyncratic, meaning MY reason is not going to be anyone else's reason, and therefor providing it won't move this discussion forward at all. I wanted to debate the merits of the feature, not my personal reason for wanting it. But, I can see that maybe providing my reason may get others to see how they may find it useful. So...
At work, I work with directories containing many hundreds of files (often >1000). The number in each directory changes throughout the day, as me and others edit the files, create new files, and move files to other dirs.
When I go into a folder, it would be very useful to quickly know exactly how many files are present (total size is ok too, but not what I really need). This info helps me determine (1) how much work others did that day, (2) how much work has yet to be done, (3) where (by which folder) more resources need to be allocated (4) and on and on. With this info, I can quickly click on many different folders, and get a good snapshot of the work done that day.
This is exactly what I want. Thanks for your detailed explanation. Your request in this context is very relevant and it makes sense now. I am supporting your requestAnonymous wrote:> only wonder, why you need this particular information.
> And your reply was, that you wonder why other one
> wants to know your reasons for this request. That was
> not so helpful...
No that's not what I said. My reply was that the reason I need the info is idiosyncratic, meaning MY reason is not going to be anyone else's reason, and therefor providing it won't move this discussion forward at all. I wanted to debate the merits of the feature, not my personal reason for wanting it. But, I can see that maybe providing my reason may get others to see how they may find it useful. So...
At work, I work with directories containing many hundreds of files (often >1000). The number in each directory changes throughout the day, as me and others edit the files, create new files, and move files to other dirs.
When I go into a folder, it would be very useful to quickly know exactly how many files are present (total size is ok too, but not what I really need). This info helps me determine (1) how much work others did that day, (2) how much work has yet to be done, (3) where (by which folder) more resources need to be allocated (4) and on and on. With this info, I can quickly click on many different folders, and get a good snapshot of the work done that day.
Altap Salamander fan since 1998